11/25/14 (Retrial) Day 13- 3 hole virgin suffers in silence

11/25/14

Jodi was a virgin? Right. They must be playing
opposite day.

Another full day of court. It's too bad the judge can't do this for every court day. The sexpert is still on the stand and Juan spent most of the day hammering her. Nurmi got a small chance at the end of the day to try and rehab her character to the jury and debase Travis'.




The sexpert is back on the stand.  Juan is up.

I'm convinced she got her degree by mail order.

Juan asks about the sexual practice of Jodi shaving her twat. Even the sexpert said that was important information for her to know.
Juan- Are you saying the way she chose to groom herself had to do with Travis 
Fonseca- I don't know if Arias did this before
Juan- Why didn't u ask if she did this before? Are u saying this practice is so unique to Jodi and Travis that this was worth considering?
Fonseca- This isn't what I'm saying Juan- But you did consider this Fonseca- Yes

Sidebar

The Sexpert is reading a document about Jodi and Matt's breakup. Juan says he is just trying to refresh her memory. Juan says it was Matt that wanted to break up with Jodi and he moved to get away from her.
Juan says isn't it aggressive for Jodi to drive to Crater Lake and confront Bianca? 
Fonseca- No. It wasn't a violent encounter
Juan says Jodi wasn't suffering in silence was she? Fonseca- This was a different relationship than Travis
Juan- You told us you aren't familiar with Jodi's testimony to an extent except you tube? 
Fonseca- I received other material

Matt is a popular guy

Juan- Steve who worked at Crater Lake was concerned when Jodi confronted him on finding Bianca. 
Fonseca- I didn't examine this relationship. Jodi only suffered in silence with Travis
Juan- So you're saying this suffering in silence skipped over Bobby, skipped over Matt, skipped over Darryl and landed right on Travis?
Fonseca- Well I wouldn't use the word skip over, but I'm here to explain the relationship with Travis

Now Juan is bringing up Bobby.

The vampire hunter and the skank.

Sidebar

Juan- You refreshed about break up? Fonseca- It describes it. I don't remember this
Juan- But you testified about specifics Fonseca- I don't recall that
Juan- You said the break up involved the computer Fonseca- I don't recall
Juan- Isn't it true Darryl tried to break up with Jodi and she'd have none of that? Fonseca- I don't recall he'd have none of it
(Sexpert has major foggy brain)
Juan- After Jodi met TA she was going to break up with Travis correct? Fonseca- Yes but she was still living with Darryl
Juan is going over the timeline of Jodi and Travis. He's talking about her moving to Seaside- Sexpert doesn't recall

Juan's memory is definitely not foggy.

Juan- All this information the Hughes received was from Jodi regarding Travis. Everything you are telling us is from a document, recording or what someone told you. You weren't there so you can't tell us what happened. You weren't there listening to conversations between Chris/Sky/Jodi/Travis
Sexpert- No, I wasn't there
Juan- Because Travis took down photo's from FB of them together you think that's closeting..
Fonseca- Yes
Juan- Maybe Travis didn't like the photos. You do know that during a period of time Travis was in Az and Jodi was in Cali? Its pretty hard to show Jodi off and take her to dinner when they don't live in the same area isn't it?
Fonseca- It would be difficult
Juan- Do you know Jodi went through Travis's phone while he was sleeping? Its not suffering in silence to go check out someones text messages is it?
Fonseca- The suffering in silence came after that
Juan- When Jodi suspected he was with other women she acted on it and she stayed in a relationship because she wanted to go on trips!
Fonseca- Well she kept that information to herself for awhile
Juan- The balloon festival trip was after this and you talked about the photograph of them together 

The ballon trip. Too bad Travis didn't leave her on the side of the road

Sidebar #3
Sidebar #4

Juan- Travis and Jodi only dated for several months? June 29, 2007 they break up and Jodi is living in Cali, within 2 weeks Jodi moves to Mesa, Arizona
Fonseca- Well she didn't go to same ward and it wasn't same community
Juan- That's pretty assertive isn't it! Fonseca- Well she did move but they had an ongoing sexual relationship
Juan- This isn't suffering in silence. Jodi was also peeping in Travis's window while he was with another woman
Fonseca- Well Jodi needed to get her social security card. She didn't recognize it was Travis with this other woman
Juan- Well she testified she did see him! Fonseca- Well she didn't at first.
Juan- Well she stood there for long enough to see a bra unhooked and re hooked. She came over unannounced

Anytime I picture Jodi, I always think of this
image. The crazy stalker chick that sneaks around behind
Christmas trees.

Juan- Did you know she knew the code to the garage? 
Fonseca- No I didn't know that
Juan- These items could have been stored in garage correct? Fonseca- I just know her paintings were in the house
Juan- She could have gone to the front door? 
Fonseca- I have no clue how she could have got in the house
Juan- But Jodi winds up in Travis' backyard peeping in his windows! This isn't suffering in silence is it?
Juan- She won't leave him alone will she? Fonseca- Jodi was intrusive yes

uh huh! I'd believe aliens were invading earth before I would
believe Jodi suffered in silence.

Morning Break

(Jodi's friend, Donovan is in court today) If you don't remember Donovan- well, she is quite the character. She's also an ex con and many believe she is the one that was sneaking in the hidden messages that Jodi was sending out in the magazines to Matt. It's been rumored that she is the one that runs Jodi's twitter account.

Donovan is on the left. Wooden Spoon (Jodi's mom) is on the right

Donovan is Jodi's biggest fan

Donovan sure knows how to dress up for court

Donovan and Jodi's grandma

Donovan brings so much joy to court.

The sexpert has to read some previous testimony.
Juan- In Aug 2007, Jodi was window peeping?
Sexpert- yes
Fonseca- After they break up they are still having contact, it's confusing Juan- The confusion is yours not Jodi's
Fonseca- This is hard to keep up with
Juan- According to Jodi they broke up June 29th, 2007 so why is this confusing? 
Fonseca- Because they still have contact
Juan- But that's what you believe. Couples can break up and have sex for years can't they?
Fonseca- That's not what I'm saying. They had togetherness
Juan- If Jodi testified to the break up date under oath why do you still take issue with this?! You've read it and you don't believe it- do you?
Fonseca- It's not that I don't believe her but she gave me another date but it was the same month
Juan- If Travis is broke up with Jodi how can he be closeting her? He doesn't have to tell people about her
Fonseca- Well he was closeting the sex Juan- So you want Travis to "Kiss and Tell" don't you? 

Sidebar #5

Juan- In terms of Travis you want him to tell everyone he's having sex with Jodi and if he doesn't he's closeting her correct?
Fonseca- That's not capturing what I'm saying. He's not telling anyone and he's acting and telling people he's a virgin
Juan- Isn't it true Jodi didn't tell anyone either?! Fonseca- Yes this is true
Fonseca- Travis didn't even tell his friends and family that were close to him. He didn't tell Lisa Andrews. Why were people shocked? Travis was a master of deception
Juan- So you still want him to tell people he's sexually active? Fonseca- This was the image he was portraying and it was central in his religion
Juan- So you want him to go out and say "you know what on this certain date I put my penis in Jodi Arias" LOL+

This was exactly my face when I read this

Juan- You spoke about Dan Freeman. You said Travis didn't tell Dan about having sex with Jodi. It didn't say anywhere in this testimony that Jodi told him she was having sex with Travis did it?
Fonseca- But they were acting like a couple Juan- Don't you think what Dan is saying is more accurate that what you are saying. The point is that someone's sexual life is private. Jodi didn't discuss this because she's private. So this doesn't make her closeted it makes them both private.
Fonseca- Jodi didn't try to act like a virgin.
Fonseca- Private and Closeted are related 
Juan- So because Jodi didn't tell others, then she was closeted to them -correct?
Fonseca- Travis had a level of social status's to protect
Juan- Don't you think a woman has something to lose by telling people she's having sex?
Fonseca- well there is a double standard. A man can have many partners and be a stud. A woman does and she's a whore or slut.
Juan- So you just proved the point! The defendant was also a Mormon too! She had things to lose
Fonseca- it's not the same. Travis was more involved in being a Mormon than Jodi.
Juan- So where does it say in Mormon doctrine if you are a Mormon for a short period of time you have less to lose?
Fonseca- You are mischaracterizing what I'm saying

Lunch

Sidebar #7

Juan- So is Jodi a master manipulator because she didn't talk about her sex life
Fonseca- No I didn't say that about Travis. He was a master of deception
Juan- U are saying as an expert in the Mormon community the defendant would have less to lose than Travis?
Fonseca- I'm not an expert in the Mormon community
Juan- So Jodi would have lost her temple recommend? Fonseca- I'm not sure
Juan tells the Sexpert to stop talking about Travis when he asks questions about Jodi.
Juan- You are required to be informed and objective when you review materials but in this case you haven't been objective
Fonseca- I use data points to keep objective

Juan brings out a chat between Travis and Jodi.
Fonseca called this communication a "rant" a "five hour rant"
Juan- The communication wasn't 5 hours-it was 2 hours and 10 minutes. You wanted to make this seem like Travis was out of control didn't you? You were wrong on the time weren't you? You went ahead and made a wrong statement to the jury. 5 hours sure seems more impactful doesn't it? You told them it was 16 pages...it's only 12. You are supposed to be accurate.
Fonseca- Yes. The chat is formatted to where it could be 16

Juan- You could have watched Dan Freeman's testimony when I crossed examined him. You didn't include this when you spoke

Fonseca- I spoke about how Travis was comfortable taking Jodi on trips with the Freemans

Juan- Well Travis wasn't hiding Jodi from his friends was he? F- Well Dan was aware but not the sister she was surprised

Juan- Having Jodi on the trip shows Travis was being open right? Fonseca- Well not with the sister

Juan- But they were all in the same car right? Fonseca- Yes

Jodi was very good friends with the Freemans.

Sidebar #8 (Juan wants to play cross video of Dan)

They play the video. I'm not going to repeat the words that Dan said. I'm just going to pick up when Juan starts back with the Sexpert)

Juan- So in terms of argument Dan told us that when there was an argument and Travis said something Jodi came right back at him. Jodi wasn't suffering in silence

Fonseca- This term is me saying Jodi wasn't telling people about what was going on

Juan- Jodi and Travis were having an argument and Jodi wasn't backing down Fonseca- Yes

I call the whole argument with Jodi/Travis and the Freeman's
The Stupid heavy backpack argument.

Juan is Quoting Fonseca.."This is distressing to him. This is wearing on him. To the point he's thinking about death." (Juan is saying Fonseca gave an assessment on Travis)

Juan- Aren't these your words?? Fonseca- Yes. I was just pointing out that Travis was talking about a gun, a noose. I was making a conclusion he was in distress

Juan- You were using the word assessment! Fonseca- I was making an observation not a clinical assessment. You can get distracted but I was talking about the dynamics of their relationship. Travis told 3 people about the noose

Juan- You made an assessment, a diagnosis out of this. Just what you said you aren't doing

Sidebar

Juan is done

Afternoon break

Oh God. Nurmi is up and he is going over all the sexpert qualifications AGAIN. Then they go into the T-dog stuff again.

Watching Nurmi is like watching a puppy get kicked.

Nurmi- Is there a method for 1 psychologist to assess another psychologist F- No. You'd have to see their methodology, how they work

Nurmi-If a psychologist comes in here with a few years experience & says another wasn't objective is that fair?

Sidebar

(Sounds like Nurmi is trying to turn the jury against Dr. Demarte before she even gets there)

They're scared of you, Dr. Demarte!

Nurmi- Would it be proper ethics for 1 expert to comment on another expert's objectivity? 

F- It would be improper

Nurmi- Did you hear a valid basis for this question about your objectivity?

Fonseca- No, the question came from nowhere. 

Nurmi- Do you think this is hogwash fabricated by the state?

Fonseca- It's outrageous and tries to hurt the reputation of a professional and it discourages an expert from testifying

Nurmi- So do you have to read every single word or be present at certain events such as the "peeping" event?Do you have to be there when Jodi's dad hit her to give an opinion?

Fonseca- No

Nurmi- If you reviewed 1000 items and there was 1001 does this make your opinion wrong?

Fonseca- No. There's 31 boxes of evidence and I didn't go through all of that. I looked at what was kernel to the case

Nurmi- You said specific sexual behaviors were a distraction. Explain please

Fonseca- I was looking at dynamics, not how Jodi sounded like when she was having an orgasm. This stuff sells to the media. It's easy to focus on the shaving, the anal sex and so on.

Sidebar

Nurmi- You used the term "slim alley" explain please

Fonseca- The state was implicating I was unethical and the mischaracterizing of my testimony was nothing like I've ever seen

Nurmi- would the state saying we funneled you info be going down that alley Fonseca- Yes

Fonseca- Jodi and Travis had a sexual bond

Nurmi just asked sexpert if Travis was a misogynist- Juan objects. They approach

Sidebar

Court is over until Dec 2nd.