Thursday, February 14, 2013

1/30/13 Day 12- Lisa, Dess, and Daniel


Day 2 of Def. 1/30/13
Jodi is wearing white. It is really not a great color on her.


Jodi
   


    Def calls Lisa D. (Travis' girlfriend when he was seeing Jodi)
Lisa


Andrews is her maiden name. 2 1/2 years married. Works for insurance company. Just had a baby. She's 25. She knew Travis. Met at church at single group. 10 yrs of age difference between her and Travis. They knew each other a year before they started dating. Lisa went to Travis' house for movie nights. (lady def attorney SUCKS)


Jodi Arias and her attorney
   

Lisa use to date Steve Bell 4 months(Don't know why this is so important). Travis talked to her about PPL. She didn't get involved with PPL. Lisa dated Travis for 7-8 months. Starting July 2007-Feb 2008. They emailed, text, and talked on the phone (this is stupid)

Lisa and Travis broke up a few times and got back together again. Final breakup they still had contact. Travis got very serious and started talking about marriage very quick. Lisa didn't want to. It caused problems. First time she broke up with Travis b/c Travis was cheating with Jodi. Travis still wanted to get back together with Lisa. Lisa felt she could trust him after they got back together.

2nd breakup-he was getting to serious. Travis wanted to be married. They were both saying they loved each other. (teenager stuff-Jesus Christ) Travis was still talking to Jodi and another woman (didn't hear the name) Lisa started to get mad b/c he was calling other women and she started to think he was cheating again. Lisa went to Sedona with Travis...day trip.

Lisa found out Travis took trips with Jodi. She knew of 2.

Approach (judge)

Lisa understood that Travis took Jodi on overnight trips. Lisa confronted Travis about the trips. Travis explained in a way to Lisa that it was an innocent trip.

Jodi Arias-Lisa met her at church. Lisa came to find out that Travis was dating Jodi...Lisa replied...yes, She did learn they were dating later. Lisa saw Jodi and Travis together at his home. Groups were always around. Lisa never saw Travis being affection towards Jodi, but does recall Jodi being affectionate towards Travis and try to hold his hand. Jodi would try to hug on Travis in front of people.

 
Jodi and Travis
           

Dating Travis-Lisa never had sex with Travis.
Objection to the question if Travis said he was a virgin. (Lots of objections from the state during this point)

Have I said yet how this line of questioning is so stupid???????

Approach (judge)

Shocked to learn Travis was not a virgin? Objection

Approach (Judge)

After Travis died, were you shocked to learn he was not a virgin...YES (all that for one word)

Email and text with Travis- Lisa is reading an email that she wrote to Travis. Def wants to enter it in. Sept 2007 when email was wrote

Approach (Judge) this is getting so annoying

Email-Talking about breaking up. Wasn't the right thing to do. Lisa hoped Travis would agree. Lisa wanted Travis to leave her along and not text or email. I guess Travis kissed her too soon and they made out too long. (holy crap) I guess they both wanted to grind their loins. Sex was on Travis' mind to much. Something about keeping Travis' thoughts clean. She thought Travis just wanted her for her body. Travis had to much sexual tension. Lisa felt used and dirty. Lisa didn't want Travis grabbing her butt especially in public. Travis didn't want Lisa to use certain words, poop or crap. Travis talked about sex too much. Travis was trying to mold Lisa in a certain way. Travis ask for compliments to much.

Approach (Judge)

Email- They don't agree on anything was wrote.
(another freaking approach from the Judge)

Email- They didn't share the same values (Lisa wrote to Travis) Lisa got her feelings hurt about Travis saying her being a teacher sucks.

Approach (Judge)

Email- Lisa didn't feel important. Travis was away for 4 days before the email. It gave Lisa time to think. Lisa had been stressed out. Lisa told Travis he overacted about a lot of things. She didn't think it was attractive. She (Lisa) suspected that Jodi went on the trip with him. Travis didn't tell her Jodi went. Lisa thought Travis was being selfish went he wanted to talk late at night. She also thought Travis was ignoring her phone calls. Lisa got upset when Travis wanted to cuddle in the car. (Lisa sounds like most whiny teenagers in relationships) Lisa was sick of hearing about Jodi. That's when she begin to suspect he was cheating. Roommate told her he was cheating on her. Lisa couldn't trust him anymore. Lisa said basically LMTFA. They were separated a couple of weeks

Travis felt badly about the breakup. Tried to make it right and talk with Lisa after that. I guess they started dating again (HOLY MOTHER this is like listening to a bunch of teenagers drama)
More breakup stuff. I can't keep track if they are on 1st breakup, 2nd breakup, or 3rd breakup.I'm fixing to start cussing.

Thank God.
LUNCH



After Lunch
(taking a long time to start. TV says they are in judge's chambers)

Judge wants the audience to quit laughing and making comments in court

Lisa D (Andrews) is back on the stand. Def. is up. Last breakup. 3rd one. Final One. It was a mutual breakup. Travis was having money problems. She talked to him one week before he was killed. He made contact by calling.

Lisa


State: judge, approach?

Approach (state ask) (Lisa's going to need to pee soon. She's been drinking a lot of water waiting)

Judge is now making jury leave. Oh boy.

They are back. State is on: 3 rd time breakup. Something about a ringing door alarm or something. It was being pressed, then Lisa and Travis went to check on it. Lisa also ask Travis to stay the night b/c she was scared.

Over at Travis' house. You were in the kitchen? YES Didn't Jodi come in your house unannounced? YES. Walked right in the front door and ran out. That's why Lisa broke up with him. Email-Travis wouldn't kiss her at the start, she wanted him to. YES. He did touch her in the butt, but not after she told him not to. They kissed. They were engaging in foreplay. Travis had an erection from kissing. Lisa was inexperienced. (I'm laughing) Travis never forced her to do anything. Travis was never aggressive. Travis was trying to conform to what Lisa wanted. Travis acted like a gentlemen.

Jodi liked to throw herself on Travis when others were around. Travis did want Lisa back. State says they were like "high schoolers" and Lisa agreed. Lisa thinks some of the comments she made to Travis in the email were unfair to him.

Oh, it got heated for a minute, there was something going on in the background. I think Travis' sister broke down crying. IDK??? (Twitter said this:chriswnews The reaction in the courtroom is to a photo of Alexander's dead body #JodiArias pros put on screen. Witness gasps. Alexander's family cries) (My own personal experience with the sound and NO video......it was god-awful terrible. It sounded like a cry of death or pain)  


Heartbreaking
                 
Approach (judge)

Cheating with Jodi- Is it appropriate to take a knife an slice somebody's throat? OBJECTIONS YELLED from DEF.

Approach (judge)
Virginity-Did they discuss it? YES. Conversation AFTER the killing? YES. Did he treat you with dignity and respect? YES.

Re-direct. Def is on.
Kissing- Yes. Many times? Yes. Did you feel uncomfortable? Yes b/c of my age. He achieved an erection? Yes. Did it make you uncomfortable? Yes. Cheating? Yes. She suspected Travis was cheating but didn't know for sure.

Stalking-Jodi came in the front door? Yes. She ran out? Yes. Did Travis run after her? Yes. He was gone for a few minutes. Jodi left in her car. Which room mate gave you the false information? John ???Were you seeing somebody after Travis? Yes. Virgin talk again? Yes.(this def attorney is all over the place) Did he talk to you a lot about sex? Yes. 2nd breakup talk again??????ugh. ( I had a phone call for a minute)
Def is finished

Jury questions....a freaking TON of them. I didn't get them all...sorry.
Did someone tell you Travis was texting? Jodi called Travis all the time even when Lisa was with him
Did you ever refer to Jodi as a stalker? YES
Did Travis ever call you names? NO
Did Travis ever ask you to have sex with him? NO
Did he pressure you? NO
How do you define cheating? (she replied the basic answer)


Follow Up. Def.
Did Travis say things about Jodi and being stalker? YES. Also,my own experience.
Travis' temper?
Approach (judge)
Did Travis every say he was sorry about his temper? Yes, one time.
Def. finished
State: Why did he send you that text?
Approach (judge)
Recess.

Return from afternoon break

Def. is bitching about the 205 picture. Def. wants a mistrial. DENIED.

Lisa is back on the stand again.
Lisa


Approach

State: Outburst of angry by Travis was throwing a telephone as a responds from damage to his car? YES
Dismissed

Def. calls Desiree Ferman (this girl will be remembered as the girl that can't remember anything). school. BYU. Senior. Was on a mission. England. 18 mths talking about the church.
Dess

Daniel Ferman is her brother. She did live in Gilbert. She knew Travis from her brother. She knew Jodi through Travis. They all hung out at church together. 2007-2008 1 year. They hung out about a few times. Larger groups every few weeks. Travis treated Jodi very well. They seemed happy and cuddly. They were both huggie huggie. Travis was clingy. (I'm trying to figure out what the def lady is talking about-she goes around and around)

Dess and Jodi
       
Travis liked to flirt with other girls. Trips-Grand Canyon and Sedona-Summertime June 2007. Jodi, Travis, brother, and Dess went.


               
Dess, Daniel, Travis, & Jodi
                               
Another trip-the 4 again. Travis and Jodi were broken up during this trip. Travis still treated Jodi good. They still act like they dated. Dess remembers Travis was dating somebody named Lisa.
religion- NO SEX. BAD BAD BAD. blah blah blah. Lots about the no-no's of sex in that religion. Travis claimed to be a virgin. He made Jokes. State yells "hearsay".. Travis was happy to be a virgin and proud. Overnight trip again (all over the place) did Travis and Jodi argue? Yes. They were driving, and Jodi wanted to take pictures, Travis drove off as a joke....and Jodi was mad. Travis response was stark. (Huh???stark??) Travis raised his voice. Jodi just stared out the window.
def finished

State: Sex- Kissing? Lying on top of another person? Touching private parts? (Mormon rules) YES. blah blah blah.
             

           


Trips- Does she know what happened before that trip when Travis drove off? Backpack? Don't recall. This girl doesn't recall anything. Hammocks they slept in on trip? Yes. They all took a hike, but Travis and Jodi stayed behind b/c they were arguing. Dess doesn't remember. Then the grand canyon trip Jodi got mad b/c Travis got to close to the edge is what started the argument on the trip. Dess can't remember anything!!!

State finished

Redirect

Def. Trip-.....(uh, I have no idea what the hell this def. lady is even saying). A bad comment Travis made or whatever in the heck. Whatever...they argued.
Did Travis want to bring Jodi on the trip? As far as she remembers.

                 

Travis and Jodi
               
No questions from the jury

Def. calls Daniel freeman-brother to the girl that can't remember anything..above^^^^ he's listing all his mission work and such (I'm going to skip this part)( Woohoo...church time. I wonder if the state is going to pull out Jodi's butthole pictures and show this guy? LOL)
Daniel
He knew Travis. PPL. (Of course PPL) He was his friend. First they didn't get along b/c daniel thought Travis was cocky but they became friends. He knew Jodi b/c Travis introduced them one late night during a trip. She was not expecting Travis. She was surprised. I guess Travis and Jodi went to the back bedroom for some fun. He was Travis' room mate for 3 or 4 months.

He traveled with Jodi and Travis. 3 trips. Jodi and Travis were a couple Daniel thought. Travis acted different with Jodi in private than he did in public. Jodi was kept in a different peer group. Jodi and Travis held hands and touched. In public they were just friends.  They started the trip-


Travis, Jodi, and Dan
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Travis told dude he loved Jodi, but didn't know if he wanted to marry her. Something about a backpack being full of girl stuff....and Jodi got pissed that they took her stuff at. That's what started the fight. Jodi started crying, Travis was yelling,( and the two siblings probably wanted to get the fuck out of there)

Random overstuff backpack


Dating someone else-His friend doesn't recall. Daniel does remember Lisa. Double date. Denny's. Travis was flirting with Lisa. Travis was being Travis as he usually was.

Jodi, Dan, and Dess
Approach

Judge warns:Evidence is going to be graphic
Juror:They are going to have escorts from now on.

Court is finished for the jury.

Court is finished for the day!

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